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opinion vs critique

Journal Entry: Fri Dec 21, 2007, 4:25 AM
So waking up at 2am can make you a thinker. An occurrence on livejournal made me think about opinions versus critique and how I often see people whom don't seem to know the difference. I'm going to try to explain the basic differences and some of the problems I have with both people who give critiques/opinions and how the artists respond. I'm a little tired though so bare with me.

First off, hands down I like critique better. Critique is meant to be constructive and to help an artist while an opinion may not do either. Critique can vary from the very harsh to the extremely nice, nice is usually more motivating and better for the poor artist's ego but either should leave the artist with something to work on. In my feeling the best kind of critique is one where the mistakes and the good aspects of the drawing are both pointed out and suggestions are given on how to fix the mistakes. If you just tell an artist "that's bad" and leave it at that, their response should be "Well yeah, but how should I fix it?"

Opinions are often more general and most likely won't tell an artist how to fix a piece. They don't have to do with the technical aspects of the drawing or the skills of the artist, just whatever the opinion giver does or doesn't like. An opinion giver may say things such as "I don't like her blonde hair" even though their statement has nothing to do with the color harmony of the piece and they simply just don't like blonde hair. Opinions givers also tend to harp on things such as style, which can be a very tricky and often times counter productive thing to harp on (but to be fair many artists use 'style' as an excuse for lack of technical skills so I never can blame anyone for harping on the style if it's displeasing to the eye.)

Now that we have the basics down, let me just say this ANY ARTIST WORTH THEIR SALT SHOULD WANT CRITIQUE. No artist should EVER be satisfied with their art and they should always want to improve. One of the best ways of doing that is to seek out help and see what you're doing wrong. Sure it can be hard to stomach sometimes, we put our heart and soul into our art and even if it's picked apart in a nice way, it can still be hard. But in the end it's worth it.

Now here's the real shocker: artists should want opinions too. They maybe shouldn't be taken as seriously as a well thought out critique, but if there's a valid point in their somewhere; you should take from it. Part of the reason is because it can occasionally be a fine line between critique and opinion; an artists 'style' is a good example of when things get fuzzy. If you drew a portrait of a man and made his nose too big; it's simple to critique because someone can just point you to the man and show you where you went wrong. But if it's your 'style' to make noses big and someone doesn't like the way it looks, well then who's right? (probably no one)

I find myself having a distaste for artists who can't take critique or even opinions (though more so critique). It's okay if it upsets you, but don't jump down a person's throat because they gave you an honest opinion. Especially if more then one person points it out- they could be right on the mark about your art. We all get a little sensitive about our art sometimes, but turn it into a positive, make your art better, think to yourself, "Well they may not like it, but that's one more person who looked at my art today." The fact is if you can't take not just constructive critique but the harshest opinions out there- you'll never survive the art world. There are a lot of great artists out there who are very nice but there are also a lot of great artists out there who are complete asshats and will tell you how much you suck and that you should just slit your wrists now. But whatever happens if you really love art don't let ANYTHING that ANYONE says STOP YOU!

And to the critique/opinion givers? Try to be more constructive about what you say. It's fine if you don't like a piece or even think an artist sucks out loud but try to give them some suggestions on how to get better. If you don't know how to be constructive then you might be better off keeping your opinion to yourself.

I think we could all use a lesson in being a little more positive. I really love it when I meet artists who are just so excited about what they do and they are excited for you that you want to do the same thing. Let's spread the love, not the hate (I swear I'm not a hippie.)

Damn that was long, don't expect too many longish rants from me. I'm just.. bored.



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~PaperCrane5:iconPaperCrane5: Dec 21, 2007, 8:53:59 AM
I try to find the middle ground with my critiques, however, you tend to be a very hard artist to critique, because it's very hard to find things you could improve on.
*nna:iconnna: Dec 21, 2007, 11:44:20 AM
Oh there's lots and lots I could improve on. But I don't have a problem if you can't think of any suggestions, any sort of comments are welcome, even if it's just "Hey I like that" I appreciate hearing from people.

I actually shy away from giving critiques on DA because I find not everyone wants to hear them. But if someone asks me for a crit, I am more then willing to help.

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~TheFalseLegend:iconTheFalseLegend: Dec 21, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
Probably one of the harder things about critiquing is that we all feel inferior to some artist or another and feel out of place telling them how to improve. After all, they're better than me, what right do I have to point out things I think they should improve? It's a hard barrier to break.

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*nna:iconnna: Dec 21, 2007, 12:20:23 PM
Yeah I can feel what you're saying. I was able to get over the "you're better then me" shyness to a certain extent in art school because even if it's an awesome artist- if you see something that could be improved it's best to point it out to them (and teachers often get on our cases to critique each other and work with each other regardless of artist levels.) But I still will find some artists who completely intimidate me to the point that I can't say anything but "You're awesome."

It's kind of funny though, because sometimes some of the harshest words I've seen given to other artists or myself are given by people who have absolutely NO artistic training whatsoever. Sure they have eyes and can see if there is a problem, but wouldn't someone with skills impress them too? I've always gone back and forth on that one.

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~PaperCrane5:iconPaperCrane5: Dec 21, 2007, 1:32:31 PM
I totally understand. I think it's really immature of people when I see art on the frontpage with several thousand "that is so kawaii" or "I love this" comments. It's so stereotypical and boring.
~TheFalseLegend:iconTheFalseLegend: Dec 21, 2007, 2:04:40 PM
I'm just starting the academic process myself, but I've noticed a new focus on being able to critique as well. It's definitely a good thing to be able to help out someone if you can, but as you said, there are still people who go up and beyond what I could possibly even think to critique. ;P

I've seen that too, and while sometimes it can be completely off basis, sometimes it's very insightful and that often startles me. What's the old saying, "Those who can't do, teach."? Maybe in this case it can be "Those who can't do, critique."! :D

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~cyen:iconcyen: Dec 21, 2007, 5:19:13 PM
I'm curious about the LJ incidient. XD Anyway, I really enjoyed your essay and I agree with you whole-heartedly! I do like critiques, as long as they're actually meaningful instead of hurtful, and I try to limit myself to giving critiques to those who wants it. I almost never do critiques in DA because most people don't want it. I also figured out that some people say they want critique, when in reality they just want attention.

I don't know if mine are ever any good, but when I give out critiques, I follow a format that I want if I was asking for help. Basically, I mention what I think works well and what I think needs more improvement. I will never be intentionally mean when it comes to critiques because I do know that artists are protective of their work and the soul is vey delicate at times.

Because I lack the academic training, I wasn't taught to give and receive critiques. My grandpa would tell me how to fix my work, but that's different because he's grandpa. XD Also, art is more hobby than anything for me, and I do it for the drawing process itself. I know I've got lots to improve, but at the same timeI don't want people to tell me what horrible artist I am and that I should just quit (insults in the guise of "critiques"). If in the end it comes to me not posting anything online, I will do it because I did draw for myself before I found the net. XD

I do find it hard to critique those who are better than I, but if they're my friends and ask for my thoughts, I would let them know.

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*nna:iconnna: Dec 22, 2007, 4:17:30 AM
Ha, the LJ thing actually isn't all that related, it's just the random tangent my mind went off on. Plus I've actually had these thoughts in my head for a long while.

I don't know if mine are ever any good, but when I give out critiques, I follow a format that I want if I was asking for help.

That's a good way to handle it, the "treat others how you want to be treated" thing. Most artists do not want critiques that are not helpful (unless they're a masochist) so if you try to think about that each time you're likely to give out some really good comments.

You're actually an interesting case, because I'm not always sure what to say to you... Your Grandpa gave you that cool artistic background so I feel you certainly know a hell of a lot more then others who just do art as a hobby (hell you know more then I did before I got a little training under my belt) but at the same time I know sometimes certain techniques are new information to you. Damnit cyen, you're difficult!

but at the same timeI don't want people to tell me what horrible artist I am and that I should just quit (insults in the guise of "critiques").

I really dislike that people do that, regardless of the level of the artist- you never know how serious they might be and what they have to offer the world artistically. Just like with anything- if you work hard enough at art you can become fantastic at it, so all those people who discourage artists can bite me.

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*nna:iconnna: Dec 22, 2007, 4:23:50 AM
At a certain point in school critique became like a drug to me, even if it left me feeling horrible and bad about myself, I just wanted more! I guess that's the best way I can describe it... XD

One of my sculpting teachers probably explained it best when he gave us the reasons why anyone can see if our human sculptures suck out loud is because everyone knows what a person looks like.
It can suck when people without training notice your obvious flaws though because they don't always realize the work that went behind it.

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